What is the best sabers clan of ALL TIME?

i totally agree to klavy..
vds had the best players for the 2yrs and half/3 yrs that i played this thing.

few outside vds would present me some challenge, very few..

prior to when i started.. i have no knowledge over who used to be the best or not, but afterwards i got no doubts on my mind over which clan had the best players.

a best clan ever list/poll without vds only makes me realise you ve considered us to be part of a different league, godlikes league 8)

peace out!

very interesting topic..

ill i have to say is...

VDS in my OPINION is one of the best clans.. I have never been any clan or seen any clan quite as skilled (including jcs (not bashing jcs cause i loved it there...)) with as many good active loyal members. we had skill just as good, if not far beyond any of the previous players mentioned., and we had the attitude to back it. Not cocky jackasses like many of the other clans. Most of us have extensive background going back to your so called "elite days" with "elite clans". show me where you think we fail short? Im going to try from argueing and just state the facts. Ill let the roster speak for itself.

ABC ORDER (all i cant remember right now):
(prob more solid than any listed above)

Axion
CoRleoNe
DrunkJedi
England
Eugenious
Flow
Gigas
HeXeN
KLaViER
Kyp
Lepidus
Lyricist
Moose
Neo
NovaCaine
OxIdE
Padawan
Panacea (Eclipse)
Rajin
Sacred
Saint
Savant
Sculpt
SirJewbie
SubZero
Tybalt
Vanion
Zerocool
Zodiac

By the way ... wodz, i do respect your opinoins but I believe your opinion on us is flawed. You bash VDS so much but I believe its bitterness. You tried out for us on more than one occasion and were denied each time.

also.. You say you are regarded as the best player at this game by others?. playing us and not getting in must make us jk gods.

~lyr

I should also note that VDS of all the "great clans of zone" was one of VERY few that didn't act like "elitist jerks".

We always tried to be understanding and supportive of the entire JK community. I'm certainly not saying that we didn't have some bad apples... I think everyone would agree that guys like Tybalt had hard time letting newbies go without some bashing, but for the most part, most of us acted like good sports... and I think in a way that took away this "elitist" look from us because we weren't fucking bastards who had to go out of our ways to prove to others through typing... we left our message on BGJ and that was that. Anyone that tried to test us got their asses wupped... every single one of them. During VDS's existence from about 2001-2003, no one came close. And if anyone disagrees with that remark, thats their opinion, I just would have to say that they have no fucking clue what they're talking about. Period.

It seems I'm not the only one who thinks this way. I think i posted somewhere on this thread about this very same thing but everyone ignores ol Pun as usual. VDS was the dream team, no doubt about it. I can't tell you how many times I tried out and for some slight reason didn't make it.

Everyone one of those dudes was one of the quickest mother fuckers youd ever see. some of the funnest games I ever played was against em. its a shame i never made it, even though i beat half you bastards at one time or another. you all know who you are 🙂

Hi all, just stumbled onto this site, and I thought I would chime in:

I'm not going to vote in a poll like this, but it does make me smile to see that someone still remembers these clans and the players that made them great.

It's really hard to pick just one, since many exceptional players played in more than one of these clans and they all had their own unique attitude.

I'm also willing to admit that maybe after my own beloved IRN decided that 30 some odd CWT trophies was enough, that some players out there kept battling, and maybe brought the game to new heights.

At the end of the day, does it really matter who takes the all time sabers greatness award? All I know is that the heyday of JK competition was the most fun i've ever had in a game, and it's nice to see that it lives on in some fashion

well said prozac... I agree I don't think we can pinpoint one "greatest"... there has been so many players, and so many different eras... and even styles.

It's like trying to compare an athlete from the 40s to the 90s. It just doesn't work that way... everything is relative and we need to keep things in perspective. I think we should just be able to respect and acknowledge those that dominated in their own time without saying one better than another, because unless we can ALL come back and duke it out, we'll NEVER find out.

klavy 4 president!

pun, perhaps my memories might betray me, but arent u kud? KDD_Kud?

latez

Just looking over this, as people have said there were different generations of saberists and different developements during that time like better modems etc. So it is very hard to judge since extreme lag bursts doesn't mean your a great saberist.
Plus where am I, damn I was good hahahah
And Bart...wasn't good ever 🙂

na kud is not pun.... Pun and Kud were both in Prince though lol...
Kud is wodz's brother.
Pun is well Pun.. and I don't know how else to describe him..

😛 I never tried out for VDS even though it would of probally been fun
The Occasional urging of some VDS members for me to join was all I needed to realize.. I'm just a VDS without the tag 😛
course before that I was just an IRN without the the tag.. lol.
at least deathdekon thought so.

I'm glad i was in Prince forever we were like the middle class of the JK working realm lol. Of course some of us became self-made millionaires.

A few comments

Ikikarus=KaiN=KoAJ_TheMan

I do agree that VDS was the best sabers only clan within its time, but it is another thing to try and compare it to clans that have unparalleled successes in the past. In my personal opinion, If VDS was around from 98-99, they would not have beaten the clans listed in this poll. The domination of those clans opened up many doors for jk's future.

( Off the point comment: KRT, EoS, EA, IRN were "all-around" clans and dominated JK during their reign in every setting. I don't argue this point since the original topic refers to "sabers clans". )

It's also evident that VDS was defeated in clan battles more than once. HDK beat VDS in a clan battle and HDK was a dominate gunning clan (wodz/kain vs savant/lyr). The other clans in question defeated all or nearly all of the best clans that existed within their era and rarely lost clan matches and tournaments.

Attempting to compare the depth of the clans within different era's of jedi knight it is impossible, especially when attempting to compare VDS to clans of a former era. During the time of KRT there were dozens of highly regarded clans (KRT and EA beat everyone and then disbanded as champions), however, during the era of VDS only a very small handful of regarded clans that could come close to matching VDS in skill. The point here is that VDS was never greatly opposed in battle (JCS being the exception. If you want to consider JCS having an actual sabers team in 2002)

I don't quite understand lyr's bitterness comments. Although I was not i VDS, I was also not a part of IRN, EoS, Jihad, WaR, DH, KRT, SLDR, KoAJ, KTL. Aside from those clans I was in basically every clan that was famous in JK. The list is not a biased one. I believe nearly any player who has been around as long as I have would created a similar list.

It is quite biased for VDS members to spout their own clan as the best ever (reminds me of Yack's run for Prince as the best ever). PuN however, made apt comments when referring to VDS as the best

Jedi316 also has some good points. In the past we did not deal with bursting lag/warping/tweaking as a tactic to try and make yourself look better.. he's right it "doesnt make someone a great saberist" (dr00me, nemesis, soulreaper, seph).

I remember playing friends in IRN in 1998 and they didn’t teleport around the level and have 4 second lag delays like people do today ON THEIR CABLE MODEMS like newbies do circa 2001

Final note: KuD started JK in like late 2001 and I didnt even bother training him, he was a complete newbie, installed JK and after a few months of messing around in JK had beaten nearly everyone in VDS singlehandedly.. deny this all you want, this single fact speaks for itself. Even PuN beat half of VDS, like he stated previously. But Kud...with no JK background, no "jk career", a complete unknown person who was in clans like DoG and Prince.. beat your entire "BEST CLAN EVER"

Please tell me 1 person who ever beat everyone (or even 6+) members of IRN, EoS, KRT, or EA and I will just stfu right now. lol

Best saberist clan EVER is a title reserved for a clan that did amazing things that people still talk about 8 years later (like KRT)

My opinions are just for entertainment, I entirely agree with Prozac, all of the clans were great and we should enjoy what fun we had in the past.

-Wodz

-haha exactly stated. this is a opinion issue. you believe we wouldnt hold our own against some of those clans in the past.. I KNOW we would. IN MY OPINION, skill of players in any community will improve with time. The longer the game is played the better any "player(s)" will get.

-The reason I even said anything about you not getting into VDS was because you said others claim you to be one of the best players of JK of all time. One of the best players of all time deserves to be in VDS. you didnt

-You say its biased for VDS members to speak in favor of there own clan.. yes i agree, but you also have to consider most of us have been around since 97-98.. we know how good those clans were and we know where we stand. I agree, we were not an ALL AROUND clan. nor were we designed to be. But we were far beyond mastering our specialty.

-.. VDS was beaten in a few clan battles "wow".. it is a game. your saying those clans you claim to be the best of all time have never lose a clan battle? haha.. right... Im sure that game sticks out in your mind cause you beat VDS once. Im sure everytime someone won a game against us it stuck out in their minds.. It should.. it would be a accomplishment.. Everyone loses sometime. I dont remember the game your talking about, not saying it didnt happen Its just nothing to remember. btw i noticed you used yourself in the example in 3rd person... nice..

if PuN and KuD beat VDS entriely then they both would have both been in VDS. all that needs to be done is pull up a thread in the VDS private board for the truth.

No harsh feelings guys, ive always liked them especially PuN, but it didnt happen.

Its OK wodz... just breathe.. think about it.. look at the members list and the people behind the VDS name... "DREAM TEAM"..

ty 🙂

1. Its funny how every single person claims to have played JK since 1997

2. It took more than skill to get into VDS, and KuD had a bad attitude and some people didnt like him, which made him an outcast.

3. KRT never lost an unhacked clan battle in their entire existence...EVER

It doesnt matter who is right or wrong
In the end Eng will still love Sexen

I could remember numerous times Prince beat VDS as well.. but these were occasions these weren't constants... We always competed with you guys.. and then you assimilated the members that competed against you the best lol (at least lyr and tyb were in charge around the time of the assimiliation lol). .... that took place in the late 2000 early 2001 era.

After that Prince still competed with VDS probally close to that of 2000 and 2001. I say competed.. because the majority of Prince couldn't beat the majority of VDS members.

Wodz I love how you refer to VDS being good in 2002.. VDS didn't play anywhere near as many games as they did in 2000 and 2001 in 2002...
If I could give a date for VDS's prime it'd probally be summer 2001.

Wodz my claim Prince was the best sabers clan... goes under a different definition of best.. to me being the best isn't being the Most skilled..
Skill is a factor in it, but not the complete factor. The cumulative number of elite / really good / and even moderately good saberists in Prince throughout JK history out numbers those in any other clan.. I could rattle off 50 names of people in Prince that would beat or compete with anyone from any clan. Many of these people were loyal to Prince for months if not years.

I am sure KRT lost one game...maybe its not to your documentation but still... besides what does it matter if they were undefeated.. where are they now? where are they in 2000 or 2001 or 2002? Non-existant... at least IRN's legacy enstilled itself into the new generation of JKers.
I am not taking anything away from them; there is just really no way
to compare them with VDS.

VDS shouldn't be discredited as the best sabers clan...
nor should Prince.. for sure lack of definition of best..
... an impossibility of side by side comparision.

I agree with Lyr's quote that he borrowed from one of my earlier posts about the skill of VDS:

the level of skill in JK never declined in VDS's days.
Throughout JK the level of skill always gradually improved...
(some might say that with the expansion of Cable / DSL and faster computers it rapidly improved at one point)

The only reason why people in VDS don't receive the comparision in which they are due is because the number of people with that skill.. (and i.e. that cared about JK skill lol)...
was on the decline.. at a more rapid pace than the skill was improving.

hehe this is QUITE ridiculous... I'm not going to waste my time arguing about something I know people will never agree on.

Guys, keep in mind this is a video game. Are you really going to sit there and argue about who's better after all these years?

Quite honestly this is kinda getting HILARIOUS to a point that it is ridiculous.

I think we ALL know what each other's opinions are. Let's leave it that.

On the other hand Wodzy, you are absolutely right that I am biased. Of course I am, I am one of the founding members of VDS... what else did you expect... but are you going to sit there and tell me that your opinions aren't biased? I think you and I both know that you are also biased. VDS would have taken out JCS, EoS, IRN, DH, etc. No question.

That's that. I'm done. I got more important things to do than to argue on this forum.

That's that. I'm done. I got more important things to do than to argue on this forum.

Yeah but most of us don't have anything better to do than read your arguments. 😉 lol