What is the best sabers clan of ALL TIME?

ya i undestand sub 🙂 .. I would hate it when I'd get cheap shotted too.. however, I rarely did the cheap shots .. I'd only go after the other guy when my teamate would die haha... cause I really didn't wana get hit by my teamate or hit my teamate. On the other hand I received a lot of cheap shots too, so it was a balance of the cheap shots I received with the cheap shots my teamate may have delivered... of course unless I was teaming with someone for a first time,. I discouraged them highly from cheap shotting b/c half the time they'd miss and hit me

🙂 its just a matter of opinion..
in alot of ways I think teams were harder than duels cause there were more variables to keep track of throughout the game

LMAO Wodz you dont know what your talking about mate. People didnt have higher speed connections than modems, fact. The ONLY way to get on faster than modem was very expensive ISDN (the home uptake of which in Europe is under 2% of all internet users, the US is around 1.5%) or through collage connections which 9 times out of 10 were firewalled. In 1997 people connected to the internet from their homes with a modem... fact. I would be AMAZED if in 1997 more than 15% of the JK population had a connection above modem. Also, JKs net code could cope with ISDN (most home users would have had single channel anyway as double channel cost a fortune) so we are only really talking about the game changing when you move to 300k+ connections.

What your saying is that someone playing on 56k vS 56k right now is no differnt to how it was - spot on. However, people dont connect through 56k now (or around 2000 onwards to make it more relevent), therefore I dont get the point your trying to make. People went to a faster connection, faster connection totally changed the game, case closed.

Either way, cant be botherd to argue with you. Im right, ive proven it fairly conclusivly.

I wasnt trying to say some retarded **** like 33.6 in 1997 is the same as DSL in 2004.. wtf lol

Ummmm, thats exactly what you said. You said that it doesnt matter if its 14.4, 56k, or broardband, lag is lag. I think my previous posts have proved rather convincingly that isnt the case. Now your back tracking. Just admit that you either put your point across poorly / failed to explaine what you actualy ment (which im still confused about) or admit your wrong.

And Wodz, dont try to turn the hacker thing back on Nova, I was testing it with him about 10 seconds before he busted you, its real and you know it, 0x8 for the win 🙂

Mask im not on your dick
Im just saying it how it is, you will always be known as one of those evil players like Nem or Soul or Merlin, you even have the evilish name thing going on, the players you beat and how bad you beat them and the amount of time you dominated and did not loose ever was insane. in my eyes and alot of other people from back then .. you will always be an l337 hax0r you just didnt get caught.. fuck i dont care about your past i know u never liked me and thought i was a newbie, im not really having a dig at you but you were gone for 3 years, im telling you that the legacy you left was very tarnished, you may have that legendary status thing going on in some peoples eyes but alot of it is for the wrong reasons, we will never know, you always were a mysterious fuck. i admit i dont even know you and never really talked to you.. but rumours like the ones around your name dont come out of thin air . hell ive been told your nem/seph and leg rolled into one, and a dozen others lolz

ps. the ck ss you posted i remember from back in the day it went around the lobby for a good few weeks and really annoyed him, i will always love you for that at least, later

actually wodz that sounds rather ridiculous and i dont understand why youre having a stab at vds seeing as i recall you tried to join at one point.
The majority of the clan DID dominate when it was around, REGARDLESS OF THERE BEING COMPETITION OR NOT, FOR THE RECORD and unless you can prove otherwise dont act so smug dude.

Off the bat I can think of three RETIRED members that werent very good, Im not gonna list who was good or why, it is a well known FACT that we recruited only the best at the given time and that our standards, (especially mine) were ridiculously high.

Btw I played jk for about four years, does that mean im a nerd? How long have you been playing dude? You have probably studied/talked more on this games history than any other person to date, and you say people who PLAYED for a long time are complete nerds? Do you see how that sounds?

I wouldnt regard anybody as "top" throughout a long stretch because there wasnt anybody who remained top longer than about a year, I stand by what I said on it being impossible to find a best of all time. Oh unless you have built some sort of time machine.

agreed... Subzero now hear me out lol 🙂
I've seen too much of JK in my life.. to know
this argument will never cease. The only fact that is for sure
is that there were a lot of clans that called themselves the best...
and the best at one time don't equate to the best of all time because
their is no comparison (not by technology standards, skill standards,
you name it,...).
Even asking the question "which is the best" begs a rather vague
question... Define best .. Ok you define it as most skilled..
now most skilled at what duels / teams / combination of the both?
now what.. most skilled for the longest period of time,. or most skilled
ever for the shortest period of time, or somewhere in the middle?
Now what... minus from the equation of "skill level" the skill of lesser players by only selecting the "top 10 / 5 / 15 / 20 / ??" best saberists in a clan.. or compare the cumulative skill of all the saberists (should we count gunners and FF players who occasionally sabered and were mediocre at best or what)?

LIMITLESS....possibilities
In all my arguments,.. I only wished to establish Prince with some
credibility as a clan at least worth mentioning as an Impacting
clan on the saber community and definately worth being on the ballot
for at least longevity as a "semi-elite" clan as morthe appropriately did so on the first poll... Note the poll says Best of all time..
It don't say "most elite" of all time...

For Prince to be considered best saber clan your logic would have
to follow this formula lol:
add up the Total Number of Decent to "elite"
saberists in Prince (rate them on a scale (1-5) based on their skill
.. multiplied by the length of time each spent in Prince
(1997 - 2002 - years JK was played with enough people to consider at least decent competition present)
. The cumulative total would I believe be greater than any saber clan out there.
Yes Smaller clans with better saberists were deemed more elite..
but that is just "philosophy",
what is better 15 gold coins or (3 gold coins, 30 silver coins and 30 bronze coins all together) ? (vds vs. Prince)

Given the above argument you then might be able to argue in JCS over Prince because they were around for a real long time.. even though not in
as much abundance as Prince... at times their quality was better.
I'd argue my quality as a gold coin from 2000 to 2002 (rating 5)..
no JCS gets that rating for as many years.
In either case... I hope I got my point across for real this time.

🙂 The Answer No one Knows!~
and the more I argue the more I realize
Why does anyone really care other than for selfish pride?!

Mask im not on your *
Im just saying it how it is, you will always be known as one of those evil players like Nem or Soul or Merlin, you even have the evilish name thing going on, the players you beat and how bad you beat them and the amount of time you dominated and did not loose ever was insane. in my eyes and alot of other people from back then .. you will always be an l337 hax0r you just didnt get caught.. * i dont care about your past i know u never liked me and thought i was a newbie, im not really having a dig at you but you were gone for 3 years, im telling you that the legacy you left was very tarnished, you may have that legendary status thing going on in some peoples eyes but alot of it is for the wrong reasons, we will never know, you always were a mysterious ****. i admit i dont even know you and never really talked to you.. but rumours like the ones around your name dont come out of thin air . hell ive been told your nem/seph and leg rolled into one, and a dozen others lolz

ps. the ck ss you posted i remember from back in the day it went around the lobby for a good few weeks and really annoyed him, i will always love you for that at least, later

/disconnect

vapid, you were clearly asking mask to marry you. and he said no

at least you're not like darklich

crimson is right. come out vapid, have you had nightmares for years about how evil my name sounds? have i been on your mind ever since my departure. your right i thought you were a newbie and i never liked you, or your ass kissing. nothing has changed.

Prex...Here's the Crimson Shield thing I made for you...

You gotta come to the #JK room man so we can play it up and chat.And set up a game in UT so I Can rape you like old times =)

Yeee.. good subject here lol.. well, this poll sure is better than mine, tho I think DE should be in it... as for KTL, it was awesome, but it lasted like 4 or 5 months.. so I wouldnt count it, but DE lasted ages.

I think I´d stick with JCS, I think all this mistic thing about IRN is because they were the best all around clan in jk ever.. but they had beatable players in sabers.. I myself can hardly remember losing to an IRN in sabs.
Ppl I think were great sabs players:

Judgment_Day, Kain, IKIKURAS, Legacy(ya, I know Im gonna hear from this), Firestorm, Mask, santaclawz, etc... its been a while, cant seen to remember much of names...

pssh 😛 u forgot me there morthe... haha and u know that Ikikuras and Kain are the same person.. and you know that you listed some possible hackers

I heard ppl saying ikik and kain r the same person... but as far as I know they arent... I might be wrong tho...

hacker = dangersun lol..
I think u meant that for legacy right?

ya legacy.. a.k.a. merlin that stupid fish.,.. and a lot of other people like to say others on the list hacked,. but there's no proof that i know of for any of the other ones..

SantaClawz is a sweet old school name dat i long forgotten about.. 😛 glad someone remembers him

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and I am almost 100% sure ikikuras is kain.

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haha ya dangersun was one "elite" hacker... i dont know why u'd care so much about your rep to cheat at JK.. its quite possibly the most stupid thing I've ever heard.

this thread is a JOKE...

Subzero is not the only VDS who had a big JK career before joinning VDS... I'm not going to say I had the biggest career ever, but long before VDS was even created, I was in DSbr, JCS, DE... not to mention that I captained the NF Sabers team on HDK.

Wodz, I'm not going to go into long discussions on this because it's kinda pointless... but I really can't believe you left out VDS on that list. We would have either topped or equaled ANYONE on that list. I've been around JK long enough to know. I played JK like CRAZY when I was in JCS, I played with guys like DR00ME and others and believe me when I say this, I love all these "old school" guys to death but they really are all hyped AND overrated. Not to say that they weren't GREAT players because they were, I'm just saying Wodzy... I think you're writing us off here. HAlf of the VDS guys I think should be considered to be best of all time. Wodzy you really disappoint me here... If you put guys like England, Hexen, Vanion, Oxide, etc back in 99 or whenever, I think VDS tag would have wupped some MAJOR ass.

I know you're "old school" and all, but so are a lot of us here. I think the old schoolers in pretty much any field, whether it is video gaming or sports or music, tend to try to prove to the new age that the old school's better...

No disrespect to some of those clans on that list though...

EoS, IRN, JCS... those guys were real badasses during their glory days... as for some of the others... errr...

agreed.... the level of skill in JK never declined in VDS's days.
Throughout JK the level of skill always gradually improved...
(some might say that with the expansion of Cable / DSL and faster computers it rapidly improved at one point)

The only reason why people in VDS don't receive the comparision in which they are due is because the number of people with that skill.. (and i.e. that cared about JK skill lol)...
was on the decline.. at a more rapid pace than the skill was improving.

The Old School JK players are in denial of the fact that a new possibly better thing came along after they didn't care anymore.