You may have a point because somehow you are in DSbr. However, I respect AeRoNs opinion as well as rhophs. BTW you should read his post about skill levels.
I was recruited as an NF saberist. But go ask AeRoN if him and gen ever came close to beating me and matt in ji nf teams.
as for that post, it's the age old argument. But you're comparing apples and oranges. If you are so good, why weren't you a great when all the greats played? You claim to have played back in those days. Did you just not have the aptitude to play the game at a high level? So it took you years to master, along with the consequential quitting of the actual skilled players?
It's like saying that a person who can build a computer today, is more intelligent than Albert Einstein. But if you were to take that person and put him in the same time/circumstances as Albert Einstein, not a single person in this world would know his name.
You played when we all did, but you did fuck all. Deal with it dude, nobody respects you except for your peers who also think they were hot shit but actually sucked.
felon for a three
and it's good
No your missing it Phelan. No one was good pre 1999. They were still learning what force powers to use and how to strafe. They had MMX 166 Intel CPU with 16MB of ram and a shitty video card with a 28.8 Modem. People really didn't start getting good till around 2000 when technology allowed.
If I was AeRoN I would be pissed that this peon newb that I let in my formally respectable team is talking shit about me even though he knows he doesn't deserve to ware my tag. I think wodz said it best:
you (phelan) only sucked off dsbr players in back alleys hoping to genetixly binding your DNA with theirs to become a better JK player. It never happened, you suck, stfu.
game over
You played when we all did, but you did fuck all. Deal with it dude, nobody respects you except for your peers who also think they were hot shit but actually sucked.
this
you really failed to understand the analogy.
as for chronos... well he has a lot of issues in life. You actually respecting his opinion or quoting it just proves your lack of credibility on JK.
If you and vet choose to lie to everyone and say you were as good as ME, let alone aeron, matt, gen in NF guns back then that's your prerogative. I just hope you aren't lieing to yourselves, because that would be really funny.
But hey Spanker. I know where all this comes from anyway. You are still butt hurt about when me and gen pretended to want to join dP. I remember you were so pumped to have me in your clan. And then we got the admin of your board and posted gay porn all over it. So I do know where your aggression comes from...
All I can say is, let it go man. It was 8 years ago!
lol this conversations over. Refer to the chart whenever you want to know where you stand in the jk spectrum phelan
lol this conversations over. Refer to the chart whenever you want to know where you stand in the jk spectrum phelan
That's not a chart
That's a wall of text you GED retard.
You played when we all did, but you did fuck all. Deal with it dude, nobody respects you except for your peers who also think they were hot shit but actually sucked.
this
you really failed to understand the analogy.
as for chronos... well he has a lot of issues in life. You actually respecting his opinion or quoting it just proves your lack of credibility on JK.
If you and vet choose to lie to everyone and say you were as good as ME, let alone aeron, matt, gen in NF guns back then that's your prerogative. I just hope you aren't lieing to yourselves, because that would be really funny.
But hey Spanker. I know where all this comes from anyway. You are still butt hurt about when me and gen pretended to want to join dP. I remember you were so pumped to have me in your clan. And then we got the admin of your board and posted gay porn all over it. So I do know where your aggression comes from...
All I can say is, let it go man. It was 8 years ago!
You guys make me proud *tear*
I find it comical that certain individuals are expressing such outrage over Spanker’s list. After all, surely even those who are in the most disagreement still accept the majority of the list as accurate. Granted, his “Baddie List” (which was undoubtedly said jokingly as some of the players were clearly upper tier) probably is the source of much of the uproar.
In my opinion, the vast majority of the arguments in the last few pages are not nearly as unresolved as some say. All one has to do is follow the natural progression of skill development in games and the answers are at once obvious. This is not to say that all games follow the same pattern. Regardless, one should assume several points to be reasonable in this discussion.
1) As time goes on there is a steady progression of familiarity, skillfulness, and expertise in a gaming community. This can of course be canceled out (or at least made negligible) by a loss of popularity in said game. However, (read #2).
2) In most cases the premier players and those with the most aptitude are among those who remain the longest. This is mirrored in most arenas of life and to say it does not hold true for gaming is dense.
3) Making a statement such as, “If Player A had remained as long as Player B […] he would have been the superior player.” is a counterfactual conditional. It is not necessarily shown to be true and therefore we should assume it false due to Player B reaching a higher level of play. For example, in the realm of professional basketball, one might say, “If Grant Hill had the durability of Michael Jordan […] he would have surpassed Jordan.”
4) In association with #1, most professions experience a wide transformation as new advancements are observed. Obviously, the pioneers of early developments should receive due credit for their irrefutable additions. If some of you feel as if JK pioneers have not received enough credit, by all means, let it be known. However, let’s not pretend as if later players (1999-2003) were of lesser talent due to the pool of players being smaller. Many of the top tier “2nd generation” players were simply individuals who increased their level of play due to several verified factors. (see #5)
5) The vast majority of elite players in the 2nd generation were players who existed from the beginning (or, at least, near the beginning). The reason for their late progression is evident and has been stated numerous times in this thread. In case some missed it the first time around, I’ll state the main reasons again.
First of all, they were not slow learners with less aptitude. Second, they did not “appear” to be better due to a drop in overall talent within the community. No, the reason for their sudden rise in ability was due to other factors, namely the upgrade of their PC and/or internet connectivity. I cannot remember how many times I heard the line, “Player X would be elite if he/she had a better PC and/or Connection.” In my experience, almost without exception, Player X did dramatically improve when some type of technical upgrade took place. Consequently, many players who were not initially considered top tier went on to become some of the very best to ever play.
Lastly, in regards to Spanker’s list, (unless I am mistaken) many of the listed players actually were 1st generation elites. Further, when you factor in the addition of “JK Pioneers” to his list, I maintain it is the best list in this thread. Obviously certain individuals have personal feuds with some of the players on the list -or- they feel the omission of an older player somehow makes the list invalid (which is simply not true). To summarize, the list is still credible even if some players were initially overlooked.
No your missing it Phelan. No one was good pre 1999. They were still learning what force powers to use and how to strafe. They had MMX 166 Intel CPU with 16MB of ram and a shitty video card with a 28.8 Modem. People really didn't start getting good till around 2000 when technology allowed.
Is this why you still get negged by people who played quake 3 on their shitty p233 machines? Mr. 3,000 rage quits.
shut the fuck up
I find it comical that certain individuals are expressing such outrage over Spanker’s list. After all, surely even those who are in the most disagreement still accept the majority of the list as accurate. Granted, his “Baddie List” (which was undoubtedly said jokingly as some of the players were clearly upper tier) probably is the source of much of the uproar.
In my opinion, the vast majority of the arguments in the last few pages are not nearly as unresolved as some say. All one has to do is follow the natural progression of skill development in games and the answers are at once obvious. This is not to say that all games follow the same pattern. Regardless, one should assume several points to be reasonable in this discussion.
1) As time goes on there is a steady progression of familiarity, skillfulness, and expertise in a gaming community. This can of course be canceled out (or at least made negligible) by a loss of popularity in said game. However, (read #2).
2) In most cases the premier players and those with the most aptitude are among those who remain the longest. This is mirrored in most arenas of life and to say it does not hold true for gaming is dense.
3) Making a statement such as, “If Player A had remained as long as Player B […] he would have been the superior player.” is a counterfactual conditional. It is not necessarily shown to be true and therefore we should assume it false due to Player B reaching a higher level of play. For example, in the realm of professional basketball, one might say, “If Grant Hill had the durability of Michael Jordan […] he would have surpassed Jordan.”
4) In association with #1, most professions experience a wide transformation as new advancements are observed. Obviously, the pioneers of early developments should receive due credit for their irrefutable additions. If some of you feel as if JK pioneers have not received enough credit, by all means, let it be known. However, let’s not pretend as if later players (1999-2003) were of lesser talent due to the pool of players being smaller. Many of the top tier “2nd generation” players were simply individuals who increased their level of play due to several verified factors. (see #5)
5) The vast majority of elite players in the 2nd generation were players who existed from the beginning (or, at least, near the beginning). The reason for their late progression is evident and has been stated numerous times in this thread. In case some missed it the first time around, I’ll state the main reasons again.
First of all, they were not slow learners with less aptitude. Second, they did not “appear” to be better due to a drop in overall talent within the community. No, the reason for their sudden rise in ability was due to other factors, namely the upgrade of their PC and/or internet connectivity. I cannot remember how many times I heard the line, “Player X would be elite if he/she had a better PC and/or Connection.” In my experience, almost without exception, Player X did dramatically improve when some type of technical upgrade took place. Consequently, many players who were not initially considered top tier went on to become some of the very best to ever play.
Lastly, in regards to Spanker’s list, (unless I am mistaken) many of the listed players actually were 1st generation elites. Further, when you factor in the addition of “JK Pioneers” to his list, I maintain it is the best list in this thread. Obviously certain individuals have personal feuds with some of the players on the list -or- they feel the omission of an older player somehow makes the list invalid (which is simply not true). To summarize, the list is still credible even if some players were initially overlooked.
too long; didn't read
shut the fuck up
too long; didn't read
shut the fuck up
And nighthawk acknowledges that he is a fool.
lol again, who the fuck is this guy? First of all I never played you so I know you're full of shit. Every thing you probably say now about your boyfriends in jk is 80% bullshit. Second, I never asked Aeron to train me lol. Aeron can confirm this? Yeah ok I'll message him on AIM when he gets on to confirm this.
Yet again you avoid answering the question of who you are. Keep avoiding it because we all know you're a stupid little fuck who lies and just talked shit and never played. Phelan, who is this retard?
Btw, the players who trained me were WD_Luke18 and WD_Gambit.
It's funny how your newbie ass would forget his master so quickly. We played, many times, none of which you ever came close to beating me. My name is the same as when we played (97-'00), it just had a couple of different clan names attached to it.
You were one of those guys that everyone liked to make fun of for being shitty. Along with chronos, fagacy, the prince clan and ofcourse _JE. This is why you sucked me and aeron off daily to be in the "cool" group. We didn't like you and never will you 4th generation jag off retard.
Now take your faggoty ass off my board.
Forget his master? lol yeah ok. Hey retard, I NEVER played you. Keep lying so you can look cool to all your internet buddies, really cool!
WD_Reiko, WD_NiKoN, JaG_Reiko, JaG_NiKoN
Why are there only wd, dsbr and dp newbies on your list?
Looks pretty 2004 except for Aeron and AK.
The fact that you put reiko in the runner up list is damn nearly insulting for anyone that played this game.
Who the fuck is this guy? Another g3n wannabe talking shit who has never played me in FF lol. Tell me some other FF'er you'd rather put in there? Exactly, shut the fuck up. oh by the way idiot, it's funny how you say I still played in 2004 considering I stopped playing jk in 2001. If you are referring to the nf guns setting, then you are correct sir. I didn't really play nf guns, so I obviously sucked in that setting.
Show us what YOUR list is...until then shut the fuck up.
Of course you wouldn't remember a guy that consistently raped you into negatives. You were also a little nagging bitch that consistently sucked up to me and aeron to teach you how to play. Aeron can confirm this.
Spanker your list is so fucking shitty it's unbelievable.
Where is Korax? Where is KarmaPolice? Where is Jihad Master? How about Porkchop? Patwar? Luke16/18/21?
Oh that's right, this is a 2004 list of 4th generation jag, dsbr and wd newbies. Oh and dp "elites" when nar had 25 active players.
Why does everyone keep talking about specific settings? Make a new post that says "top 5 (or 10) Oasis FF players of "all-time"
Then make one that says top 5 (or 10) Oasis NF players of "all-time"
Continue that pattern until it starts making sense. Debating a list of top 5 oasis ff players in a ALL-AROUND thread seems moot. Not a single person aside from myself has posted a single valid response of a top 5 (or 10) list of all-around jk players. Out of everyone who has posted here (and I already posted my actual list) nighthawk and gordakarn would have the most authority to post.
IMO JK died in 2000 so anything after that is pretty much pointless. There was still activity in 2000 and 2001 but you have to know that the VAST majority of skilled players left. That gets into the whole debate of the newer generation players being "better" than the older generation players because somehow the newer generation players had better weapons and got Ph D's on how to jerk off their mouse.. since lag timing was not "DISCOVERED" until 2002 and all (sarcasm).
it is not necessary to have even played JK one time in your entire life to understand who is good and who is not. Most of you sat at home and watched Michael Jordan's greatness on TV.
You watch other players and teams compete and can use your pathetic intellect to determine and observe who is better than others. By this obvious deduction you could then come to the conclusion that Michael Jordan was a great player.
I am trying to use super basic examples since the vast majority of the people here are mentally impaired.
Take the example you JUST LEARNED and apply this to say.. anything else on earth, but for kicks we will say Quake 2
Pretend there was a guy in Quake 2 named Spanker (hypothetical scenario), and he was in the community from 1997-2003 and during that time he never played Quake 2 once, he just sat there and made friends with various people and eventually was able to rub noses with many respected players. During his time he was able to spectate and observe the history of various players "careers" and deduce who is good and bad. This would obviously not be his own biased opinion since he did not lose badly to certain players. This would be an unrestricted unbiased viewpoint of a member of the community. This would, by default, enable Spanker as a more qualified reference for Quake 2 than say, the top rated player who uses rail guns.
Not easy enough to comprehend?
By observing all facets of the game throughout its prime, the user is possibly more knowledgeable than most all active players. Actually playing Quake 2 would reduce his qualification by creating a bias within set areas of the game and or community. The hypothetical Spanker character would come to respect and loath certain players based on resulting games played. He would come to create favoritism for certain clans that he may have been associated with.
Who is more qualified to speak about the best basketball players in history from an unbiased standpoint; Michael Jordan or the most renowned basketball analyst. That is a rhetorical question so do not bother answering it.
The vast majority of you are NOT qualified to post on this thread and therefore continuously post "top 5 oasis nf" lists, which is not the topic at hand.
It is comical that losers like phelan keep insinuating that if I had previously achieved more "skill" in this video game then I would have somehow magically been able to create more of a sociological bias towards rating skill level of individuals... do you know how fucking stupid your comments are?
The transferred equivalent of what you stated is thus; "if you were more skilled at basketball, you would therefore know who is good"
I am using Phelan as a catalyst scapegoat to re-voice that SKILL in Jedi Knight does not transfer into KNOWLEDGE of Jedi Knight in regards to deviations of skill level; e.g. who is good and not good. Your opinions are based off of your biased past results with those individuals, ergo "I beat you 3 times, therefore you are deemed a noob"
How does VeT beating Phelan numerous times and leaving his anus as a rotted tomato equate that VeT is any professional to claim due to Phelan sustaining massive anal rape it directly transcends throughout his entire JK "career". Perhaps during those games he was having his period and he was menstruating all over his chair and kept being distracted while you destroyed him and once off his period he returned to perennial heights of pwning. We of course know, this is not the case, as Phelan is a complete newbatron. All we can summarize from this is that at certain times, depending on the time span and results, Vet pwns Phelan. This only makes VeT a biased authority over commenting on Phelan during a set time in their "careers" and in no way affords VeT the authority on who is the best of all time.
AFAIK nighthawk openly says he has beaten everyone here numerous times in various settings, so by simple math, it is apparent that nighthawk is obviously the best player in world history, from his own standpoint. He however, refuses to post his "all around" list and only seems capable of making halfhearted attempts at flaming others since his undeveloped frontal lobe has been heavily damaged due to penis fwaps throughout his adolescence.
I wish I could make this simple logic easier to comprehend but I am unable to sink to elementary levels of having to draw stick figures to explain how socio-biasm works and why you are all typing in circles.
This entire thread is a display of "im better than you but let me notate some players who were better in 1 specific aspect of the game"
nighthawk - post your list or stfu. Claiming you beat everyone is juvenile.
stfu
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