Better Q? Did Jedislayer/Merlin/Legacy cheat?

nothing was like jk in any aspect except maybe ctf, and the only comparisons can be made with strategy. gameplay nothing compared, but ill keep an open mind, so educate me...

I have to agree with Legacy here, his record should not be overlooked.

Phelan said "also your record was in a time when everyone good was gone so shut up", I heavily disagree with this. Legacy was KDD_Merlin around July 1999 and was rank 1 on Cases. He also played in tournaments and clan/team matches so this should not mearly be based on who played on cases, rather, in defense, the players who played during this time period while he worked up his account and reputation.

Here are the top 20 of Cases from July 1999, which will CLEARLY show, without question, that indeed, all of the "good players" had not vacated JK.

1 KDD_Merlin
2 IRN_DemonK
3 IRN_Two_Stabs
4 Kyle_JCS
5 IRN_Quake
6 Saberist_JCS
7 MaDruK_JCS
8 DE_FiReStoRM
9 DE_Morthe_HaP
10 DE_FreeZe_FiRe
11 DE_PESTilence
12 DE_ThaSTING
13 KRT_SyCo
14 TWC_Crazy
15 IRN_General_Patton
16 _WC_CRUNCH
17 Sepultura_JCS
18 Wodz
19 DE_SavageGinx
20 DE_HecRol

Now, let's not forget that Legacy stayed on the ladder throughout the duration of 1999 and 2000 as well as continued dominating the aspect of gaybers nf. Which clans were around in 1999 and 2000? To name a few: IRN, DSbr, WD, JCS, KoAJ, QuEsT, SLDR, DeltA, VDS, Prince, HDK, NK, KoHV, DE.

Now Legacy could have sat around and beat newbies all day, however that would not make it possible for him to even get into the Cases top 20 during those time periods (due to the structuring system of Cases and the players that were theoretically ahead in rank). He was 1st rank a total of 5 different times (4th best all time), with an overall record of 580-25 and a win streak of 127 straight (127 was the maximum streak).

His Cases domination should not be questioned. The original question was if he hacked, which would inexorably deflate his jk domination. I for one, don't even care if he or anyone else hacked.

The W

Wodz=gg.

plz delete. I don't want to argue about JK. There's nothing fun about it.

i can pick that top 20 apart in a few ways... first of all saberist was in dsbr in july of 99... he was also completely inactive...

two stabs was shit

dk was inactive

kyle was mia

quake was mia

morthe? hehe...

as for krt and twc being on there? *laughs* give me a break if DE is on there those 2 clans definately are not.

patton, crunch, sepultura all inactive... infact i dont really think that sep was on the ladder at that time, cuz i remember i beat him in like the beginning of 99 as a newbie alias, and after that he deleted his account, infact if memory serves he quit jk... never remember seeing you on the top 20 wodz,/

and as it stands, yes legacy was shit in my time, from jka to ra to wc...

also your clans you are mentioning... DSbr first of all, we had 2 nf saberists, me and sabs, and both of us were basically retired when we joined, IRN was very inactive at this point KoAJ wasnt around for most of it especially not around for when legacy was apparently godly. Prince? as much as yackkman likes to argue it they were a newbie clan, the only nf saberist NK ever had was when i aliased in their clan as far as 99 goes. SLDR was great but if they were around during that time they would have been in the top 5 not a bunch of inactive guys... i'd comment on the rest but i think my point has been made.

i'd like to see that link wodz cuz i am willing to bet money that you made up that top 20.

I do believe those names to be accurate phelan..

I was playing ladder during that time.. just starting though
ya Prince was newbie during that time, no doubt.
I wasn't bad however, and played a majority of those guys.

Just a few of the top guys,
Morthe_Hap , as much as i like the fellow never beat me in duels
Hecrol, I used to beat him down in demo in 1998, and he never really had me in full version
DemonK, I could beat before I even started to use mouse in 2000, and he was #2.

All those guys were aight though 🙂 a respectable top 20 group there definately.. and KoaJ was dieing at that time ,.. 3 months earlier I think they would be in control of the top 20.. this was DE's time. . I think come July guys like those in KRT and IRN and SLDR were all on increasing activity, they were still present early 1999 however.
But the guys that replaced these "supposed elite old schoolers" were just as good if not better. You just never played them.

I played both, I was always able to find someone to challenge me 1999 - 2002. Guys like Hexen and vanion and England, I think would of made these guys, like the KRT crew and the IRN saberists crap their pants.

Merlin (Legacy) continued to play steadily and so he was able to adjust, but most of these old saberists became arachaic in style

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I don't even know what im trying to argue here but ya 🙂

leg how many times did u beat me? i dont recall ever dueling u fullright one on one.. unless u were on allias

Legacy - don't edit your posts, if you don't want to argue about JK then just stop posting 😉

Hey its Legaycy!.. Myspace boy..

yackman you always start the same argument and i always give you the same counter point... i played some of those guys a year or two after i went inactive, my pants remained sanitary... dont give me that bullshit that people inevitably keep getting better and better. perhaps you should ask any of the people playing today weather or not they have the same skill in this game that they had in their peak back in the day... i gaurantee all the guys you mentioned have lost a few steps because of lack of interest... but you fail to draw the comparisons between 2006 for your generation, and post 2000 for mine for some reason.

and no the top 20 is NOT accurate yackman, perhaps you should RE READ what i wrote about some of the names on it before you make another comment, thanks for the input though...

Hey its Legaycy!.. Myspace boy..

Hey, I have a new myspace up. http://www.myspace.com/shortstuf24 lol

Too bad it doesn't have any info yet

What should I put in the info? I haven't decided yet. Something like I have been masturbating to thoughts of having hot interactions with Saint. He has been my desire all these years..

well maybe the date is wrong by a few months phelan ,.. i dont know..
but!.... I was there during that time.. I recall looking at cases ladder
and that was pretty accurate.. for sometime in 1999.
When I first looked at cases Ladder,. KoaJ were in control of it.. KoaJ and Nemesis .. Quake was number 1.. Nemesis was like ranked 3rd. Now that was january of 1999 I do believe... or Dec. 1998, or around then..

This list with all the DE people must be a few months later... because DE wasnt really a power at all until 1999 ..
maybe not July 1999 as wodz claims, but probably March - June 1999.

.. Thus, Wodz point is still relevant.. 1999 was still competetive.. with many old school names especially during the early part of 1999..
and of course I'd argue late 1999 and 2000 was just as competetive, just maybe not in ladder,. and not with the same names that you know and love phelan/

i never said 99 wasnt competitive, i can name lots of guys who dominated in 99 who i respect... my point was legacy was not #1 when the majority of those guys played. especially the guys i referred to as mia, or not even on the ladder at that time, cuz when they played legacy was still in JKA and he was a newbie.

and a few months in the jk timeline is huge compared to our every day lives, in the grand scheme of things not at all... but very similar to the difference between the history of mankind and the history of the earth.

The list is not wrong
The dates are not wrong

Accept it

During 1998-2002 Cases auto-moved anyone who was incactive for 30(?) days down 75 rungs automatically. Those names within the top 20 were obviously there for a reason during an active period.

Rather than sitting here typing out the past and who was and was not active, just accept that the list is indeed correct.

hehe hey i believe u wodz.. phelan on the other hand *cough*