What is the best sabers clan of ALL TIME?

JCS Roster

Allard_Liao, Arma, 8ung, Cannibal, Caradoc, Cat_Sith, Chewy, Clockworx, Dust, Edoras, HaDeS, ICEHELION, RIPTIDE, KARMACOMA, Krumb, Kyle, Matrox, Mercury, Mist, Nugboy, RebelKing, RickFish, Saberist, Sepultura, Silverstar, Synthesis, Sensei, Teaa, THOR, FaZe, Pixilius, Veranon, CREAM, Renegade, AcidBurn, iRoN_K, SoLaRFLaRe, WoeX, SmokeSolo, ActionMan, BlazingSaber, FireWill, Pure, Wodz, Julie, Robotechman, Quicksilver, MMx_MaN, Frosty, Dumeril, Eagle, Giller, Dr00me, DeltaRED, Obi_Wan, Nefarious, Gen_Patton, Freman, Cyan, Kosmic, Havoc, Kalana, Loopr, HyRise, FooB, PhantomX, _MaDruK, Drizzt, DIRT, MelleniuM, Krypt, MrOrange, ZeroXonVII, MUDD, Lyricist, SouLReaPer, Icestorm, Sauron, Gentik, Eugenius, Fallout, Scorpion, Interloper, DeMoN, HecRol, Cartman, Luke, HyRiSe, Zaphod, HaDeS, Vulcan, GenetiK, Cronach, Supster, Niveous, Orbital, Java, Neo, Athena, Misty, KRULL, MrE, Hydra, Valkryie, JuNoE, KeWl, Grover, Foo, VishnuX, PraNkStA, Newmodel JudgmentDay, Cronach, KaiN, Corlin, eNoCH, Vapid, BeerMan, Crunch, Sculpt, EuphoriA, Morthe_HaP, CoNTRaVeRSy, JeSTeR

GS Roster

ActionMan, Aramis, Armageddon, BlazingSaber, Cat-Sith, CHEWY, Choda, Cloud_Strife, Culexus, Cyan, Deathsaberls, Determined, Dust, Edge, Edoras, Executioner, FireWill, Hoggle, Imp, Karmacoma, Mav, MrOrange, Orko, Pollux, Prime, Pure, Rorick, Saberninja, Scorpion1010, Seithan, Shadow668, Sithlord, Skull, SmokeSolo, SmokinAJ, Souledge, Spoonz, Sun_Blade, Thrasher, Vader, Waylander, WraithKing, Wodz, RebelKing, SaberGirl, Selorin, Nugboy, JediMasterYoda, TooToo, Yackoff, Crunchtime, Monty, Gen_Patton, Luke, Jax, Vert, Diric, Jedi_Zach, EagleSlayer, Cromwell, Sun_Blade

KRT Roster -

Mr.Wiz, Memnoch, Avalanche, Mata_Leao, Demise, Presley, MacLeod, MAZE, SyCo, Kaminari, Dirge, JediMasterYoda, OzNimbus, Acrobat, Paladin, LordOfThePit, Jahal, GregHal

IRN Roster -

Alvin_Maker, APOLLYON, Armageddon, Baker, Corlin, Crazy, Darksaber, DemonK, RazorHK, Disturbance, Exedore, Frost, General_Patton, Idmir_Spla, JDi, Jinks, MacArthur, Malstrom, Maverick316, MaZe, Realistik, Odin, Pestcontrol, ProZaC, Quake, Renegade, Serendib, Terminator, Thrash, UrbanPHREAK, Valdemar, Wallace, WidowR, Zuldane, Luke, WarMachine, Josh515, FiRE, Teflon_Z, Falcon, Daze, MrFantastic, Manderick, weejee, Vaider, GiLL, Varrus, PaiN, TheKing, mife23, Staerke, MacLeod, MMx_MaN, Madvlad, Skullmonkey, Cromwell, SageWulfe, Kiwi, Two_Stabs, Nefarious, DarkJester, Skullmonkey, Alchemist, Monty, Evil_Iron, Mr_T, IntrepiD, BABOCHE, WickedBlade, Madvlad, FordPerfect, Saberlord, Raven, DangerSun, DarkLord, Wendigo, Allard_Liao, NiftySaber, Hydra, HeltaH2K, Mist

EA Roster -

Regulator, Vector, Nefarious, CrunchTime, Gen_Patton, Armageddon, Thrasher, Nikola_G, Destruction, iLLuMiNaTi, Caesar, KoraX, Memnoch, Pixilius, Veranon, Allard_Liao, DraGonX, DeltaRED, Gumbocat, Dirt, Connor7, Gryphon, Demise, LunaticRED, JihadMaster, Shamrock, Westminster, Mist, Wodz, 187, WidowMaker, Pointdexter, Warchild, Pharcyde, Iceman, Psycho, Helios, Madvlad, Morgue, Vert, Vindicator, WarChild, Sublime, Mazellan, Apocalypse, BlackDeath

EoS Roster -

Armageddon, Braveheart, BurN0uT, Crazy, DArtagnan, GoldSeven, Gremlin, Josh515, Kaiser, KarmaPolice, KoRaX, Kybo, Lady, LordCultist, merlin, Morphine, CYRUS, Yoda, NiGhThAwK, Nikola_G, PastyBlood, Quake, Quenepa, Crazy, Quicksilver, Reaper_Man, SilverBolt, ThUnDa, Triton, WaRbLuR, YeKomS, Pyro, Chaoslord, LogiKal, Lunatik, MorpheuS, Pepsickle, Sanjuro, Timan, Aeron, Starfury15, Apocalyspe, Malstrom, Blacky, Astroman, LordOfThePit, Loki, Mentos

lol hawt secks

It comes down to JCS and IRN in my opinion. I give my vote to JCS simply because Dr00me was one of the few saberists that I couldn't even get a hit on.

like many saberists of 1998, 1999 i believe dr00me was overrated..
people couldn't hit him back then because his style was unique.. back then... later copied by all too many people and once you figured it out, it wasn't too tricky at all to break through and compete.

how can you characterize clans as being the best of all time when JK was still a developing game... maybe most legendary clan of all time would be a more apt title for this voting poll.

.. eh 🙂 arguments can go on forever.. ill just shut up

Droome was easy to beat, just crank up your mouse sensativity and be like him, have no skill, and randomly swing at air and eventually you would win.

Yack - there are guys from KRT that mastered lag timing before 1998 even started, then there are JK players who've played for 8 years and are still baffled by lag and ghosts. Trust me when I say, these clans knew what they were doing. The only thing developing within JK were the generations of newbies. Sabers is the lamest categoy of all, but if you look at gunning in 1998, some of the top players stepped into JK and were automatically the best since they came from games Duke Nukem and Quake 2, which gave them an advantage of everyone else (the 9 years olds who were playing Sonic on SEGA instead). Oh and someone said in a previous thread that everyone back in the day was "young", which is one of the stupidest things i've ever heard.

I voted for GS btw, because the members of GS were so amazing and the clan was heavily overshadowed by EA, KRT, and IRN during it's time. When GS broke up, DArt and a few of us formed JCS and Nerf and OrKo formed DH, other members joined clan like IRN, EA, SJD. If GS had newbies, they wouldnt have been able to leave GS and join IRN (not that anyone said anything about GS, just stating that they were mostly all very respected and accomplished players while in GS.

The first generation of JCS was mostly consisted of GS players and was an amazing clan that gained a very quick reputation (and awards!). Kyle ran the second generation and lets just say everything from then on was like the stock market crash.. JCS is only famous because of its first generation. Every following generation was filled with mediocore saberists who never amounted to anything (save for a few names). Droome and Bartolo drove the name of JCS into the dirt.

I'm sure if Dust_JCS saw what happened to our clan and style of play he would digitally spit on dr00me. Do you know how many tournaments/trophies/awards the 2nd through 4th generations of JCS won combined? The number is extremely low, like Bartolos sperm count.

It's just baffling how Bart and dr00me got these god-like statuses in JK because they rode the reputation of JCS. JudgmentDay was a great saberist and a respectable guy, even though i'm 6-0 lifetime against him.

Name a single JCS player through ges 2-4 that didnt suck at sabers and maybe you'll be able to prove to me why JCS actually deserves being on this list with such amazing clans.

These comments are not directed towards anyone, it is just random text that has been entered during this venting juncture.

Wodz

So to answer my own question about people who didnt suck from gens 2-4

Not all of these people played strictly sabers, but they were all very good players and should not be insulted.

SoLaRFLaRe, WoeX, Quicksilver, Eagle, FooB, Drizzt, Eugenius, HecRol, HaDeS, Hydra, Kewl, VishnuX, Newmodel, JudgmentDay, KaiN, Corlin, Crunch, Sculpt, Morthe_HaP

Everyone else from gens 2-4 should have failed their JCS tryouts at the door.

The 1st gen JCS roster reads like an all-star roster, which in retrospect has better members than GS did, since people like Nefarious, ICEHELION, Mercury, Renegade, MMx_MaN were in it.. is it too late to change my vote mom?

THIRD generation was definetely a worthy followup to the JCS name.
This was Foob/Nexus's JCS, and it was a very good clan, and I was friends with him during his leadership and I think he did a damn good job to make a name of JCS. But yeah JCS had its dirt, especially that kid Bartolo.
Anyway if we were to say the most legendary, ultimate sabers clan of ALL time, my vote has to go to JCS, even if they werent the best ALL the time, they were definetely my best in terms of consistency. Also I dont think you mentioned but Edoras (GS/JCS) was an amazingly underrated and committed JCS member.

JCS, DH, EoS, KoAJ, QuEsT, WC, KHS all came and they all did the same thing, formed after their older clans died and eclipsed their ancestors, but JCS will always have a place in my heart as the greatest sabers clan ever.

a completely serious comment from sub once I am shocked lol..

Ya wodz you make some good points, the JCS I know was only the 2nd - 4th generation JCS.... many of those generation of JCS struggled to beat mediocre Prince.. and according to certain people *cough subzero* that is sad, very sad haha.
Since the 1st generation of JCS was so much better, but I never played them I can not accurately evaluate them.

btw I never knew judge was in JCS... or Hecrol.. or morthe_hap for that matter.. (Hecrol was a good friend from demo so I played him back 1998, he had his DE tag then I think? ) and as for judge I only remembered him as DD... and for the longest time I remember Morthe_Hap as .. RA? Quite Oddly there was an RA clan back in the day in demo that was supposedly amazingly good... not really lol. I wish i could find some good old Demo players like Karbon to reflect on the olden days of JK at least to me but o well.

Bartolo that fart joined in the 2nd generation of JCS...
and you know where he came from? Prince of course lol..left Prince early 1999 for JCS.
hey he was aight at moments... sorta.. maybe, I don't remember actually.
I wonder who recruited him in JCS?

Bartolo originally was a newbie who TUJ recruited in late 1998. I have alot of stories about this guys immaturity and antics such as reporting false matches in WoW, to crying his eyes out after being beaten by better players, and even posting fake screenshots.
Judgementday joined JCS in 2001 along with Kain and Corlin.

First generation of JCS were best but I dont even know how valid my opinion is, which is why I only speak for myself and not universally on these things, because I was a major newbie in 1998 and lost to alot of JCS members. So I guess they all would of seemed like gods to me at the time.

I voted IRN

as for JCS yeah had some pro saberists but I would also point out that JCS wasnt all about being "elite" like a KTL or a KHS or VDS, KoHV(lol) ect ect where EVERYONE in the clan was at the top of the game in nf sabers and had to have EVERY members vote. maybe when JCS first started out they were like this, and maybe this is where the later gens were more slack in skill. JCS let alot of "friends" of the clan in, and some of these players were not elite, Athena for example wasnt good at the game, but she was a cool person to play and shit. this is why/where I would say JCS differs from the "mega elite" 8-12 member clans

I rememebr Judge, Kain, Model, Euphoria, and Corlin joined on the same day that was probably the last good thing that happend to JCS

Players from 00-04 gen I would say
Judge awesome saberist was glad to see him join
Kain probably in top5 saberist of all time, everyone heard this guy
Euphoria not a big-well name but up there in sabs skill as all the above and below when she played(alias(?))
WoeX - yes had some great games with this guy!
Eagle, if you mean RS Eagle Matias, naw nice guy but not that good imo
Foob was eliite
Hec was elite espcially in graphics 😀
Eugenius was real good in his prime
Hydra awesome gunner
Morthe, Superman :p ya he was very good
Corlin didnt play much in JCS and wasnt that good tbh when he was in it(no time to play), his IRN days were the best
Model (I still don't know why the fuc-k he joined jcs.. really didnt think it was his type clan l- Jedi Cock Suckers forever lolz
Drizzt was good
there were others who came and went and were pretty good prolly alias's
bartolo was a faggot and he DID run jcs into the deepest ground right up untill the end and drove alot of players to quit the clan for his shitty decisions, including me oh well thats my 2cents

anyway i go IRN lol

being "elite" like a KTL or a KHS or VDS, KoHV(lol)

dude kohv was not elite. i hope that was a joke

Kain probably in top5 saberist of all time

i would say top 3

Euphoria not a big-well name but up there in sabs skill as all the above and below when she played(alias(?))

she was very good, ended one of my streaks on ladder actually, but technically not an alias, she started in mots from release, in a clan called nEw with irn_Wendigo(nEw_Godzilla) , Idmir_spla, Eagle_Matias, who all moved to JK early on, she went on to DIK/NBK/OotCS(mots clans)

I have alot of stories about this guys immaturity and antics such as reporting false matches in WoW

all true, also constantly trying to get me kicked of ladder and false reporting

so anyway.. anyone up for a game? hehe reinstalled last night

A quick comment - I completely agree with Subby regarding the 3rd gen. And since I somehow forgot to mention/count FooB, that makes 5 generations

1st - Karma
2nd - Kyle
3rd - Foob
4th - Droome
5th - Bart

In order from BEST to worst

1, 2, 3, 4, 5 (notice a pattern?)

Great replies gents, thanks for keeping this threat civilized. Those big names (corlin, kain, etc) joined JCS in gen3.

JCS (since its founded) was never arrogant regarding their skill, which made them very respected. The first generation dominated JK in a masterful way and the majority of the members remained loyal during the transition from gen1 to 2. The only difference from gen1 to 2 is that Karma stepped down and Kyle took over control, while this happened a few people left, and a few people joined. While the overall skill level of the clan barely diminished the leadership took a nose dive. Kyle (i knew him well) was a great guy, but honestly, no one could have replaced Karma, and I applaud Kyles efforts for trying.

Although I have been voted time and time again as the #1 saberist of all time (which I disagree with), Kain is by far the best player I have ever faced in my entire JK career. After tying him 2-2 in a 40 minute 1v1! I joined RA to play by his side and we were teammates for years, throughout RA, KDD, and JCS. It's easy for me personally to discredit the skill of other top ranked player, like JudgementDay for example, who i'm 6-0 lifetime against, or Lonestarr, whom I beat 3-0 in my KDD tryout.

The only "huge name" people I have lost to are Seph, Nem, and Legacy.

I've heard many rumors that Legacy hacked, Nem I don't even need touch on, and Seph had extremely weird lag and not a single person in JK could hit him in any setting. Nonetheless, out of those 3 I believe Seph was a great saberist (albeit an arrogant asshole). One person that the newer generations don't know about are people like Nefarious, Mata Leao, Renegade, Karmacoma, MacLeod, FiRE, Nerfherder.

lmao I still have an ss of beating DH FiRE and Influenza 2v1 while FiRE was rank 1 on the CWT Ladder. FiRE was a great guy and a very skilled jedi. btw, I was formally trained in sabers by EA_Nefarious and GS_KARMACOMA, two of the best ever in early 1998.

Vapid - thanks for the informative post!

Wodz

a lot of those generations I do believe overlap lol.. what are you designating as a generation? Bartolo overlaps all but the 1st or 2nd I do believe unless your considering different leaders of JCS, the different generations