Food for thought: "Eliteism"

Even in the VDS flash into it says "the best are back"

You may be correct that some individuals acted this way but we, as a clan , worked really hard to be a bunch of socially, skilled and nice guys - which you never were part of. Just.. think about it, seriously.

Think about what vanion, your clan moto, on your website said "the best"

And england just posted on the board attempting to flatter himself by comparing newbie vds with DSbr

"Good fun though. Kind of like the FF version of VDS really, the best players by far but couldnt be botherd to play with the kiddies"

Vanion, regardless of what you and your clanmates have have thought and or think to this day, the majority of your clan was arrogant and posed as the best.

Padawan and Klavier for example, were very humble, and they as individuals shouldnt be labeled with the rest of the clan.

I don't care what you were striving as your message, with posting shit like "we're the best" it doesnt come across as "we're not the best" get it?

Sure.

http://www.geocities.com/anyone4apint/van.swf

On that main page it says "the best are back"

Then click on "about us".. ill make it easy and type it out

Verbatim - "VDS are the premier of ALL jedi knight clans. On the zone no other clan makes the tryout process as tough and intense as VDS. Our reputation proceeds us, and the clan's tournament record simply speaks for itself. If you want to know who the genuine best it, look no further."

stfd

As I said my good man, I can be arrogant and whore now bcasue its all these years on and I dont have to back it up with a 3 hour saberfest. And yes, the best.... note the word chosen it not elite and i said that we only recruted the best. To the best of my knowladge, at no point on that site (which never went live anyway) was the word elite used.

We'll see if people think "the best" doesnt mean "elite" when they reply.

If anyone from JK history came back and said "wodz, you said you're elite!"

And I reply and say "I never said I was elite, I said I was the best" they would just lol at my pointless attempt at a differentiated correction and tell me to stfu

so case in point, stfu

I see where your coming from, but you and I have a differnet view of what elite means. To me, elite means tht you chat wh0re, you hang around with the `cool kids` in ladder room, you call anyone that ever bearts you a cheat, and your generally annoying. To me, the `best` means that you played the game to a high level.

Hell, Ill agree 100%, we said and belived that on the whole, VDS was the best at the time. No doubt. There were players in other clans that were better than some of ours, but on the whole, ya, we were the best. Obviously thats my personal opinion and its more than subjective.

However, I would never call them elite. Id call DSbr elite cos they did all that elite chat wh0ring etc.

People will see differently.

DSbr is considered elite because of their skilled reputation in Jedi Knight. They were a dominating force throughout the entire history of JK, unlike VDS, and they won tournaments and trophies in different settings, unlike VDS. Their chat whoring antics only came about during their 3rd and 4th generations.

DSbr is most renowned for their NES division led by newbish.

dsbr was and is elite because they dont give a sh1t about anyone or anything internet related and because they will be the next version of CKY AND because they currently possess the second best latino male singer - sabby.

wodz i dont know why your so asshurt about vds and arrogance, but i remember you and kud always wanted to be in it. And you also use vds name on irc = gay.

You keep sweeping sh1t under the rug and mentioning smug comments about vds as a whole in response to england and vanion. Why not just insult them instead of 15 other guys who havent done sh1t to you on here. VDS did analize the zone for a little under a year when jk was on its last legs and although i dont consider this really great in the grand scheme of life, the universe, and everything, you dont get to be the one pointing this out because against us you never stood a chance. And you know it.

i'm only replying to the comments vds members are making

yackman was on here talking about how elite prince is and i commented about that to

I don't like to classify Prince as elite... I might of used the word inproperly
in my classification of prince in the past on the forum..
See my post on the Best Sabers Clan Forum.. for why I "personally" perceived Prince as one of the best sabers clans.

2ndly...
Wodz.. I'm not going to analyze claims and facts existed in this post.. or
on VDS page.. I know VDS
likes to claim they are made up of the best Jk saberists..
and they are. they are made up of the best JK saberists
minus a few of that time... does that make them the best..
I don't know.. but their best saberists also were
the last to brag of their skills unless having to defend them by
erroneous claims that they were mediocre saberists at best.

Very much how I have to defend my reputation that I sucked
and Prince sucked bad along with me. Prince ain't elite..
but I'm tired of raz, vapid, subz, nova, and even you wodz from discrediting
over 100 Prince members over the years that were far from newbie.

I love you Yack. Lets have babies.

Yack...I'm not saying people who were in Prince didn't suck,or weren't "elite"
All I'm saying is that Prince as a whole wasn't not known as "elite".There's a difference from the whole clan being made up of "elite" like VDS.While Prince may have had a few good players from time to time.The rest brought it down.I'll admit Prince had a few really good players from time to time.Alot of VDS members like myself and hell even from other clans were in Prince.But as a Whole...Prince was not known for being "elite"

good.. that is quite a respectable opinion their nova.
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haha if I can only get women to ask me that I'd be a happy man england.