All - time Rematches

Phelan - I thought you were going to play with us the other day.
Stop being a loser and join in on the elite 2v2v2 Merc Oasis nf games we have been playing - usually around 10:30 or 11 pm eastern.

thats cute that gresuf posted. phelan you probably dont remember him because he was a part of the HDK trash that lived in their own fantasy world of imaginary greatness.

just remember DS is the best in the business PS we got dicks like Jesus.

Phelan - in all fairness I don't remember you being around either so I guess you weren't an active nf gunner from mid 99 to mid 2001 (that's mostly when I played). And yes, when I joined HDK dex, hydra, d1, armageddon, etc, were all active.

Gen - from 99 through 2002 HDK was the top NF Guns clan on the zone.. that's a fact for that time-frame and for that setting. So if that's our "fantasy world", then sure. I never attacked your clan because from I hear you guys were awesome in certain settings (ie: ff)..but I am saying that for overall NF Guns roster, HDK was the top for that time.

i will play so I can defeat choda. I have been on a sweet 5 day drinking binge that ends today. so I might get a game in this week sometime.

its precious that you have that kind of fantasy land memory gresuf. comparing your clan to whatever clan i was in would be like putting the Jordan led Bulls against any other team in the NBA at that time. i win rings check out my tankle

HDK virtually didnt exist in 1999. It may have physically existed, it was not note worthy. I was not around in 2000 so I can't comment on that year. I do know HDK was a bigger name in 2001. I would agree that HDK was the top gunning clan in JK in 2002-2003

1999 - If HDK existed, no one important knew that.
2000 - maybe a top 10 gunning clan. DSbr, JaG, MERC, WD, JRT were still very active.
2001 - DSbr and JaG were still tops and MERC/WD mostly faded. HDK still not the top, but close.
2002 - Now that virtually all of the top clans are gone, HDK is the best and JRT is probably 2nd
2003 - HDK is the top.. DSbr barely touches JK and the competition is relatively slim
2004 - HDK still top but becoming inactive, amount of JK players continues to drop significantly
2005 - HDK virtually retired, PhN and dP become top gunning clans, history of JK but a mere myth now.

Hope this helps, no disrespect intended since I was in every clan I mentioned except DSbr. I was never into gay sex, so I didnt tryout.

Wodz, we all know that you would have been immediately accepted into DSbr had you tried out.
Aside from you massive JK skills, who wouldn't want to hang out with a creepy internet stalker?

Wodz, I respect the extensive knowledge you have about overall JK, but you must have missed my point: I was talking about NF GUNS !!! (hopefully the exclamation points make me clear this time). I know you were in every clan, but honestly, being in a clan and having a lot of knowledge about a certain setting is completely different. I for example, could not comment in the level of FF Sabs or NF Sabs that we had in different periods of time, because i was a nf gunner only.

How can you say in 1999 HDK didn't existed in terms of NF GUNS (again, to make my point even more clear)?? With no disrespect Wodz, you were not a top NF gunners (and I know you dont claim to be), so maybe that's why you would say that a clan that had dex, hydra, d1, armageddon, (in 99..because after we got even more players) etc didn't exist in NF GUNS. That's the whole reason I joined HDK in 1999, because they had the overall NF GUNS team around.

You can sit in nar chatting and play the odd nf guns and pretend to know exactly who's really good (when you're not good in a setting, A LOT of people will seem amazing to you).

The following statements makes me laugh:

2000 - maybe a top 10 gunning clan. DSbr, JaG, MERC, WD, JRT were still very active.
2001 - DSbr and JaG were still tops and MERC/WD mostly faded. HDK still not the top, but close.

In NF GUNS? Are you crazy??? Again, you must be thinking about nf sabs, ff sabs, ff guns, ctf, whatever. Not nf guns.. there's no way that Dsbr, Jag, Merc, WD nor JRT had a better nf guns roster than HDK in 2000/2001 (noticed now I have mentioned nf guns about 1000 times so that you get my point).

No diisrepect to any of those clans, but honestly, show me a list of NF GUNNERS from those clans that can match HDK's nf roster during 1999-2003. Don't just dump the extensive list of clan members that you have, I want you to identify exactly WHO the top nf gunners in those clans are - this will show me what you're basing your opinion on. Of course they each have a handful of good nf gunners, but it still did not match up to HDK's list.

Wodz, again, you hanged around the zone a lot and you had a lot of friends. You knew a lot of people that were the top in various settings, but you did not play nf guns everyday like I did, so your perception of a "top nf guns clan" is really, really wrong. And don't get me wrong, I am not saying HDK is the best clan ever, I never said that. I said we were the top in NF GUNS for 1999 to 2002.

Hey Gresuf! Long time no see my friend, how have you been? Man, you should give me your aim, or msn so we can shoot the shit and catch up!

1999 - If HDK existed, no one important knew that.
2000 - maybe a top 10 gunning clan. DSbr, JaG, MERC, WD, JRT were still very active.
2001 - DSbr and JaG were still tops and MERC/WD mostly faded. HDK still not the top, but close.
2002 - Now that virtually all of the top clans are gone, HDK is the best and JRT is probably 2nd
2003 - HDK is the top.. DSbr barely touches JK and the competition is relatively slim
2004 - HDK still top but becoming inactive, amount of JK players continues to drop significantly
2005 - HDK virtually retired, PhN and dP become top gunning clans, history of JK but a mere myth now.

HDK was a well known clan in 99, and they were well respected from what I remember. I've heard people during this time talking about HDK_Gresuf being one of the best gunners on the zone. I would say accumulatively that HDK had an overall bigger roster of members that were all strong in nf guns from what I understand. I personally never played with them and I wasn't a gunner at this point so I can't really make a solid judgement as to how good they really were. From what I've heard, they were one of the best on the zone at that time.

I know that during this time also that MERC had one of the best gunners to ever play JK and that was GeNeTiX, but I can't really say if they had other good gunners. If I'm not mistaken wasn't DH still around at this point? They had damn good gunners and don't forget about DeLTA that was headed up by Alchemist. Then there was IRN and JCS, they had some solid gunners too, but that was probably earlier in 99, I'm not sure about later.

As far as DSbr and WD are concerned, during that time, they were mostly ff players, AeRoN was pretty good at nf guns from what I heard. I don't know if that happened in 99 or later. WD didn't have anybody good in nf guns that I can remember. I'm pretty sure DSbr was the top ff clan at this point in guns and sabers. DSbr even had some good nf saberists during this time too I believe.

IN JRT's case, JRT was primarily a mix of nf sabers and nf gunners. Some of their members were good at nf sabers and some were good at nf guns. Ultross, Santaclawz, Morthe, Firestorm, Icestorm, were strongest at nf sabers for sure. Neo, Purgatory, Justifyer were nf gunners. I beleive there are people I'm missing from this list, but this is the JRT from 99 I'm talking about here. Ultross played guns too, but I'm not sure how good he was at it during that time. Neo was considered one of the best nf gunners during this time. I'm sure there are people I missed from this roster, but all the same JRT was one of the top clans of that time.

When JRT came back in later 00, it wasn't the same strong clan it was in 99, and considering it's late 00 and heading into 01 the possibility of it being at the top of the food chain wasn't likely. The top clans at this time for nf guns was NK, NKM, HDK, JaG, DSbr, and _4H. Hell when 2002 came around, there was still JaG and DSbr as contenders, but we were all getting ready for JK2, pretty much after 00, JK wasn't much relevance to most people.

HDK was a great clan, and I have mad respect for them. At one time or another they had players in the ff and nf sabs deparment, so how can you not remember them? I can't neccessarily sell myself on them being the best when I can think of people that could give them competition.

Wods you creepy son of a b.itch.. You`re actually wrong about HDK.. since i was in it around 99. and it was pretty well known. you a.ss queen. But anyways.. Seems like most of you never give anyone credit for actually being good at this game.. According to most of you.. no one was good at this game.. What a crappy game imo (Subz).. Phelan f.uck you..

i wasnt a ffer but i seem to remember jeb, jza, crazy, and newmodel all being in hdk during 1999. jeb is usually mentioned as the best bgj ffer ever in most threads

anyway, i cant believe people are still arguing over this. lol

I'll tell you something you might not know about other settings gresuf. FF Gunners used conc rifles too!!!

AeRoN was actually one of the best nf gunners in his prime. Any of the top FF Gunners were actually among the best NF Gunners... Reason being is, ridiculous aim. Basically, FF Guns translated to NF guns more easily than any other setting can translate into another setting. And just so you don't think I'm tooting my own horn, I just played nf sabs and nf guns. and got tossed around bgj ff by the likes of deaconfrost and others.

And ya there were a lot more good NF Gunners than the guys that were in HDK. A lot of the clans were listed above. And even more guys just happen to play more than 1 setting. I played ffa's quite often with HDK's in 99(dex was a good buddy of mine, this is when he was at a decline; and I don't recall you ever being there unless you had a different name). But aside from him, the only names I recall are Dark Helmet and ClayRhino... they were nice guys. Not exactly the most prolific gunners. I played nf guns for fun because majority of people I knew were gunners or ff'ers, I was predominately an nf saberist. But off the top of my head I can think of only 1 HDK who was better than me when I played, and I wouldn't ever put my name in the same level as gen or dex(although I made genetix self at will). Atomic was a billions times better at guns than HDK was when they were in existence, and I can think of a handful more. And ya, when the majority of those top clans died off you guys were probably at the top spot, I won't take that away from you. But HDK was nothing more than a respectable clan in 99. That's my only argument. Oh and that just because someone didn't declare themselves as an NF gunner only doesnt mean that he wouldn't challenge for one of the all time greats.

As for chronos's timeline he gave, he needs to shift all the comments up a year. HDK was around in 99 but nowhere near the tops. 1-4 really good guys, but the majority of them were just decent and knew how to hit the bridge and MAYBE knew how to control the vest in 1v1. MERC was all but dead in mid 99, gen just ran around with the tag a lot, etc. I'm not going to comment on every point, but he needs to shift each comment a year backwards in time.

SubZero, Jeb was in every clan in JK existence. You could say DBZ had an elite FF sabs squad cuz I bet he was in that too.

Yea Wodz definitely needs to shift his dateline up 2 years.

2005? i left JK in late 2002!! and HDK was already seriously declined, as was all of JK.

2000-2002 were the years we were in our prime.

Never woulda called myself one of the best gunners on the zone or in HDK, same goes for Clayrhino. Gresuf was the best gunner i ever played with or against bar none.

I'll admit i can't compare to clans like KRT, EA, Prime IRN etc cos i wasn't playing when they were, but i would consider HDK in its prime to be better than MERC, DSbr (AeRoN was great at NF Guns, but Gresuf and Dexter were better), JaG etc of that time. Maybe u can argue certainly in the case of IRN that their best days were behind them..... MERC NF Guns roster at the time read something like Genetix, Franklin, Antillees, Peewee and one other name i can't recall who later joined JaG. Gen was a great gunner and Franklin joined HDK sometime in 2000-2001 but again i would put Gresuf, Dexter ahead of those.

When you think that HDK also had people like D1, Armageddon, Sheff, Nautilus, Hydra, Franklin on their roster.... I think we were the best NF Guns clan of the time.

PS Anybody using a FFA as an argument in this is wasting their time. If you played Gresuf or Dexter 1 v 1 and won then you can talk about being better then them. FFA has little bearing on skill really.

I must apologize, I guess that I read those comments incorrectly. I do believe that you believe that HDK was somehow "great". It is because of this that I, out of the amazing niceness that DSbr utilizes, must remind you that while you may have been "great" in the Canyon Oasis room - that you were reduced to nobodies in Nar Shaddaa. If there is anything else that I, or my fellow lovable niceguy DSbr superfriends can help you with please just ask.

DSbr godmode signing out