Concerning Useless Posts

haha o ya why the heck am i still a "Junior Member"
I should be like Member Elite now lmbo..

The Problem Ret is people don't like the filter; they feel it limits their freedom of expression. It also violates the integrity of the board, however. It is just a struggle between Justice and Freedom.

I see...

I always post useful posts cause I value and cherish the ideal of a decent respectable JK community. However, the reamining JK community that is left is often not sharing that same ideal. The ideals they hold are of a JK community in which they can have fun and enjoyment. There will always
be a divergence between these two ideals.

I understand this. The only case in which I have removed a post I deemed useless was when it really was useless, as in not conveying any opinion, apart from some vulgar insult or in some incoherent sentence.

However, one must, as a forum moderator, embrace all JK community idealogies even the apathetic one. For all have freedom of speech, and they wish to all convey their speech.

I agree with this...

Certain things that are just raunchy, vulgar, and debase to society as a whole need not be displayed here. However, things that are intended for fun, laughter, etc. even though they "evade the filter" still have a right to be posted as pointless as they may be.

Agreed...

Two options I deem plausible Ret. One appologize to those you have banned from the forum and encourage them to post on here again. This will reunite the JK community. Also, I'd suggest possibly allowing one of the one's you banned to become a co-moderator with you. That way both sides are adequately represented on the forum.

Nothing I have seen on their part convinces me it would be worth the time and trouble encouraging them to come back here. Furthermore the last thing I would ever do is make someone who has acted untruthful, insulting, and immature a moderator. Phelan does not represent a threat to me. I can deal with his newbie power grab.

Second option, continue to hold your idea as a family, safe, friendly, JK forum and community. A fun, more freeJK forum has already developed: http://www.kryptonite.ca/nar/
Hopefully you guys can compete with each other for top JK forum. Competition is the best catalyst for progress and inovation.

I think this will be the path that I take. However in my case, I intend to remove the competition 😉

However, it
can also lead to great success of one side and the demise of the other.

That's the last thing I want to happen...to them, of course, haw haw

In summary I want to make this VERY CLEAR:

I believe the attempt by tymerz/phelan to make a new board is a power grab. To this end I do believe they have been untruthful regarding myself and this board when trying to get people to sympathize with them.

- I banned tymerz because he made a long vulgar post that benefitted no one. I intended to unban him shortly after but actions on his part led me to reject that idea.

- Phelan was banned because he continued to post on my forum even after saying he was "leaving", and failing to post ANYTHING after I made points in this thread:
https://www.jkdf2.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=307

Phelan was obviously not man enough to reply, and as far as 7 days after my post he still had the ability to reply to what I said, but he chose not to, and instead posted on another thread stating how he was "boycotting" my forum. He continually bashed me on irc even when I tried to make up with him. At that point I banned him.

- Bluraja was banned because he stated that he intended to spam the board. Understand that I am not going to sit here waiting for him to spam, so I took preemtive action and chose to ban him.

- NeWbiSh I banned for being very immature in general, not nessecarily on the forums, but when it was obvious him and phelan were going to continue to bash me no matter what I did.

- I have NEVER banned an individual for censor evasion. I have only banned when I felt it truly nessecary. I too believe that no matter what the opinion it should be allowed to be expressed. I have NOT EDITED ANY POSTS in a way that manipulated or removed a opinion or statement.

- Finally, I have continually observed Phelan Newbish and tymerz doing the following on IRC: Continuing to attack me no matter what, Flooding, Making false statements simply to get people to register on their board, and participating in extremely vulgar conversations.

Now I am hoping that now understanding the facts you will be convinced this new board attempt is nothing but a power grab in Phelan/tymerz's part.

I will post chat logs if you still aren't convinced.

Final Statement: If the said individuals cease acting like immature losers, I would be more than happy to unban them. However at this point all I see them doing is using this forum to convey their anti-me opinions.

- ReT

I have to agree with Yakman, I mean the term "useless" posts can be very arbitrary in nature. If you're going to have this rule you should at least state very clearly what's considered "useless" or not, because at this point it seems nebulous. This may make people hesitant to post at all because they really don't have a clear idea of whether their post will be locked or deleted. It's your board but given the limited number of ppl in the JK community, Citing people for "evading the filter" I don't think is worth the potential loss of an already small number of forum participants.
Honestly ret, if you set a poll here about a couple of your policies I think you will find that many people share my sentiments. Just giving some constructive criticism for a few changes if you want to make a board environment that serves the desires of the majority of its participants.

I have to agree with Yakman, I mean the term "useless" posts can be very arbitrary in nature. If you're going to have this rule you should at least state very clearly what's considered "useless" or not, because at this point it seems nebulous. This may make people hesitant to post at all because they really don't have a clear idea of whether their post will be locked or deleted. It's your board but given the limited number of ppl in the JK community, Citing people for "evading the filter" I don't think is worth the potential loss of an already small number of forum participants.
Honestly ret, if you set a poll here about a couple of your policies I think you will find that many people share my sentiments. Just giving some constructive criticism for a few changes if you want to make a board environment that serves the desires of the majority of its participants.

I'm going to quote what I said before:

I have NOT EDITED ANY POSTS in a way that manipulated or removed a opinion or statement.

The only case in which I have removed a post I deemed useless was when it really was useless, as in not conveying any opinion, apart from some vulgar insult or in some incoherent sentence.

You think a post has been locked for no good reason? You bring it to me. It's been pretty obvious why certain threads have been locked.

ret "- Bluraja was banned because he stated that he intended to spam the board. Understand that I am not going to sit here waiting for him to spam, so I took preemtive action and chose to ban him. "

Bluraja is always a jokester, I think you needn't take jokes as threats and that is probally a lot of what Phelan, Tymerz, and Newbish are complaining as well about.
Of course Phelan also claimed you "hacked Dsbr's webpage".. which would be a good reason to be angry.. course its really just another probally made up attack i dono..

ya I'll agree I don't know why Phelan, Tymerz, newbish do seem to attack you?.. personal agenda and sence of self-worth from seeing others get flustered possibly? I don't know.. .anyways hope things get cleared up.

I HOSTED DSbr's board. They got all pissed off when I changed hosts and took down the board so no data would be lost between my backup of the board and the period between the host change. I stated this to Phelan personally. Then they go and host the board offsite and Phelan starts accusing me of hacking his board? What the hell, I had plenty of opportunity to remove the DSbr board, but I kept it up even through Phelan's insulting and so called "boycott" of this forum.

Stupid immature losers

well that makes more sence then. good logical explanation for phelan's claims

Dsbr is and has always been a bunch of mental preteens. Their <very> subtle way of consistently trying to give the impression that they don't give a shit about anything is just hilarious. Add the fact that they are posting old logs were they really "own" up people. Haha. Their world collapse when you point out the fact that players back then were absolutely rubbish compared to today. I dont blame them for denying that. Who would only want to be remembered as an ass? 🙂

Trying to get respect on the net by being an attention wh0re really is the way to go! We have a word for this kind of people here in Sweden and it's "loser". Want me to translate it?

Seriously, keep them off unless they actually can contribute to the forums.

They do seem quite emo. 😉

Thanks for the support vanion, I appreciate it man.

ReT

No problem. Just keep the forum nice and clean.

Great work btw 🙂

hahaha vanion your so fucking gay. its amazing how you think youre pointing out all these ridiculous "facts" which are in reality retarded assumptions from your 2003 JK memory bank

keep working on your bgj nf combos
dumbass newbie

They do seem quite emo. 😉

ReT

Yup.

This useless post crap is stupid, sorry but u might as well just ban everyone that isnt prince or VDS and a few others. The whole point of a JK community forum is that all aspects of JK as they were should be allowed, that includes all the assholes that flamed and bitched, it was part of JK and some people liked that cause they didnt take it serisouly and it was just for laughs.

If you dont like that then fine its your perogative to put whatever rules you want on the forum because its yours, but dont then claim to be a JK communtity forum because in that case you arent, ure just taking control of a community that isnt yours to control.

Or how about using ure noggin for a change and making a seperate forum on these boards that people can go post whatever they want and get flamed at their own risk. Its really simple, or u can just ignore me i dont care.

RaZeZeL this is an example of a post I would delete:
https://www.jkdf2.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=147

It conveys no opinion and contributes absolutely nothing to this forum.

This is not about taking control of a community, this is about facilitating JK discussion.

I really do not want to have any rules at all here except two:
1. I won't tolerate anything that disrupts the forum. For example, spamming or continually making useless posts in a thread.
2. Obscenities of various types. People are free to attack each other, because I do believe in as much freedom as possible for everyone who wants to discuss JK, but a continual stream of obscenities is not conducive to a friendly enviorment. 😉

Or how about using ure noggin for a change and making a seperate forum on these boards that people can go post whatever they want and get flamed at their own risk. Its really simple, or u can just ignore me i dont care.

People can already post wherever they want and get flamed at their own risk! But if I went and posted something like: "LOL I SUX" I really don't think that conveys anything useful, and an ensuing flame war wouldn't make much sense either. 😉

If it is the united opinion of the majority of board members that no post should be deleted no matter how useless it is, then I would cease deleting useless posts. Feel free to make a poll regarding this.

ReT